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    • SendMePhotos@lemmy.worldEnglish
      180·
      6 months ago

      Just downloaded it and skimmed by frames… Seems to be a list of reasons to degoogle. Mentions privacy, security, and how Google is extending fingers into everyone’s privacy by browser, password manager, wallet, phone, etc.

      • november@lemmy.vgEnglish
        158·
        6 months ago

        Guy’s an ass, but if this gets people on board with degoogling then good for him.

        • candyman337@lemmy.worldEnglish
          127·
          6 months ago

          Really didn’t like him when he was younger, he was a naive swedish kid that didn’t realize that the dumb shit he said online had ramifications because his audience was so big. He helped platform Ben Shapiro to a younger generation when he had him on his channel for a video, he had that scandal where he said the n word, and then of course the clip where he says the glass ceiling doesn’t exist. It’s clear to me he didn’t realize the cultural and political ramifications of that stuff in America because he was never really exposed to it growing up in Sweden, and he was a cocky 20 something that thought he knew everything.

          I hope these days he’s realizing how idiotic some of that shit was and is actually trying to use his platform to make his viewers aware of valid issues rather than spouting off about topics he knows nothing about to his viewers who take his word as truth.

          • TheFogan@programming.devEnglish
            59·
            6 months ago

            I mean I don’t really consider him a deplorable person… He was a dumb edgy teen 15 years ago that happened to strike a cord with the overwhelming amount of dumb edgy teens on youtube, and strike it rich. I haven’t paid a ton of attention to him, but from what I saw of his linux and gadget crafting videos, it sounds like he’s grown up a fair amount from his days of scream streaming.

              • TheFogan@programming.devEnglish
                2·
                6 months ago

                and then his allegedly support of nazis.

                The nazi one IMO was pretty BS. Largely it came from him playing a game, and commenting that other people were trolling putting up swastika’s etc…

                Which I’ll admit, he handled the criticism poorly, did mostly the wrong things because he found it more of a joke than a real thing. He rightly noted that one of the critics was JK Rowling, who he fairly pointed out had no business calling anyone such. When Charlottsville happened is when he actually gave what I considered a pretty sincere fair apology where he basically noted, "holy shit I thought I was being accused of something that didn’t exist, I didn’t realize that nazi’s are actually still so prevelant in modern society so I wasn’t taking things seriously.

                Now afterwords him dropping the n bomb on a stream was pretty damn bad, though he apologized and admitted it. Still kind of falls into the fact that he’d been paid for years to join in games with a bunch of edgy teenagers, and at the end of the day if you spend too much time with a group of people, you are going to slip up and talk like them.

                Again not calling him a great guy or anything, but I’d say everything in him strikes me as a kid that never grew up (because his life was basically set up encouraging him not to), didn’t understand the weight of a lot of the things he was around, and made a bunch of childish stupid mistakes.

          • Cossty@lemmy.worldEnglish
            47·
            6 months ago

            If pewdiepie is one of the most deplorable people in the world you know of. You must live in some kind of alternative universe and in paradise.

        • NotSteve_@lemmy.caEnglish
          45·
          6 months ago

          I’ve never watched him (I hated him when he would just scream at video games) but he seems to be a lot more mature these days. He even posted a video on why you should switch to Linux recently

        • Gorilladrums@lemmy.worldEnglish
          7·
          6 months ago

          Calling this guy an ass shows that you have no idea who he is. You’re probably the type of person who thinks they’re well informed but exclusively get their info from echo chambers like Lemmy.

        • kemsat@lemmy.worldEnglish
          5·
          6 months ago

          I disagree. Things seem to get worse when the herds move to them. It’s as if things are good precisely because they aren’t there.

          • dieTasse@feddit.orgEnglish
            25·
            6 months ago

            bro, open your mind for a minute. Privacy is for everyone. And we need masses wanting privacy otherwise nothing changes.

            • kemsat@lemmy.worldEnglish
              4·
              6 months ago

              I definitely agree with you, but I remember how Digg & then Reddit both went to shit once the masses started to use them. Same with Facebook.

              I feel like if we all spread out between multiple platforms, none will become big enough for the enshitification to hit them.

              • dieTasse@feddit.orgEnglish
                5·
                6 months ago

                Aha, I understand what you mean. Maybe that’s kind of why fediverse (federation) makes sense. At least with social networks.

          • Norah (pup/it/she)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
            11·
            6 months ago

            I think you’re seeing the wrong causation when it comes to enshittification. FOSS licenses prevent that sort of thing from happening. Linux is already, by far and away, the most popular server OS so consumers moving to it isn’t going to make it worse.

            I dunno, maybe be less of a hipster bestie?

        • brachiosaurus@mander.xyzEnglish
          1·
          6 months ago

          How are you going to do that advertising using one of their products? He has 100M followers and he’s a multi millionare, he should close his youtube account and move in another platform

          • november@lemmy.vgEnglish
            2·
            6 months ago

            Good point. People should only advocate for dgoogling on platforms full of people who have already degoogled. It’s stupid to try and reach people still using Youtube.

    • teawrecks@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      90·
      6 months ago

      He switched to linux a while back. Now he’s trying to switch as much of the rest of his digital life to FOSS/non-profit stuff. He advocates for duckduckgo, firefox, paid email, graphene os, selfhosted vaultwarden, nextcloud, anything but google maps, kodi, etc.

    • Jessica@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      15·
      6 months ago

      Just throwing this out there, you can open the video and expand the description and there is a button you can click on to view the transcript of the video and then you can just copy that out into a text editor or read it right there

    • lemonuri@lemmy.mlEnglish
      50·
      6 months ago

      Imagine if some big influencers like him switched to peertube, that would be quiet a thing indeed.

        • grrgyle@slrpnk.netEnglish
          7·
          6 months ago

          I can kinda see it, though he’s not my cup of tea. I like my videos a bit more essay-like and a bit more serious mode.

        • bastion@feddit.nlEnglish
          5·
          6 months ago

          i get it, and don’t mind seeing him these days, but I don’t seek him out.

          • dieTasse@feddit.orgEnglish
            3·
            6 months ago

            Same here. There were times where my eyes went up just hearing mentions of the guy, but nowadays, there are some videos I kinda enjoy watching (rare but yea)

      • grrgyle@slrpnk.netEnglish
        11·
        6 months ago

        Even just mirroring.

        Is there a tool already that makes it easy to upload to both? Idk, I haven’t uploaded a video since like the 10s

      • I Cast Fist@programming.devEnglish
        4·
        6 months ago

        Any influencer that relies on YouTube ad money won’t make the full jump.

        Other than that, they’ll very quickly find out that keeping a video focused service running and serving 10k views daily (300k/mon) is very expensive both in storage and bandwidth.

        • sexy_peach@feddit.orgEnglish
          4·
          6 months ago

          They don’t make a large share of their income from yt ads I believe. Most is from sponsorships etc

        • Microw@piefed.zipEnglish
          3·
          6 months ago

          The big youtubers rely on sponsorship money way more than ad money. But sponsorship money is dependent on viewership numbers, so that is the main issue

      • dieTasse@feddit.orgEnglish
        3·
        6 months ago

        I think they are the only people able to do something like that. Hosting videos is expensive as … you know. But if someone can do it, its them.

      • fin@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        1·
        6 months ago

        How about LBRY? Do you think it’s a sane alternative to YT? I also think peertube is the true freedom, though, I was surprised how quick videos load on odysee

        • Trainguyrom@reddthat.comEnglish
          4·
          6 months ago

          LBRY is cool but I’m honestly sketched out by the creators that currently exist there. It’s mostly weird libertarians and crypto bros plus random porn bots. Also between the first and most recent times I played with it they added a CDN that hosts all of the files and something like 99% of the data I downloaded while farting around on there came from that single official CDN, so very decentralized.

          Peertube has actual large creators who aren’t weird conservative podcasters, and tons of different servers already which serve content, and great Mastadon integration which puts it in a much better spot for growth moving forwards than LBRY. You can literally watch peertube videos from Mastadon (Which has millions of active users including some celebrities and government officials) and comment on them from Mastadon, so there’s kinda already a userbase measured in millions depending on how you classify cross-fediverse users

          • fin@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            3·
            6 months ago

            mostly weird libertarians and crypto bros plus random porn bots

            Maybe yeah. In fact, the only video I’ve ever watched on LBRY is from a YouTuber named Mental Outlaw

        • dieTasse@feddit.orgEnglish
          3·
          6 months ago

          I though (not sure if I remember correctly) LBRY is basically dead after the lawsuits. The network was overtaken and is basically another corpo shait…

    • brachiosaurus@mander.xyzEnglish
      1·
      6 months ago

      Can we stop with the narrative that corporations and celebrities are doing good? This guy is 110 Million people away from doing something for privacy and linux, once he makes 110 million and one person switch to linux or using a youtube alternative he will have done some work in the positive.

      • dieTasse@feddit.orgEnglish
        2·
        6 months ago

        I mean… glass half full or half empty… You can appreciate how enthusiastic he was about it and how many people saw the video, or you can just complain… Btw. if he should do more, it will be the positive feedback he gets about it, not the negative one which is just demotivating…

  • wise_pancake@lemmy.caEnglish
    88·
    6 months ago

    Three R’s to deGoogling: Reduce, replace, remove.

    I would say start by changing your browser and search engine (lots of options out there today), and then set up your own domain for email hosting so you can try different providers.

    There isn’t another YouTube with all that content out there, so that one is tough, but you don’t have to 100% de google, 50% is still good. 15% is still good.

    • Phegan@lemmy.worldEnglish
      18·
      6 months ago

      Despite the lack of content we should mention peertube any time possible to increase knowledge of it, if nothing else

    • Lyricism6055@lemmy.worldEnglish
      13·
      6 months ago

      Your own domain, but you’re safer not hosting your own email servers in general. Just wanted to be clear for anyone reading this. If your mail server is down you don’t get mail 🫠

      I ended up using a service that isn’t Google for that with my own domain

    • buttnugget@lemmy.worldBannedEnglish
      8·
      6 months ago

      Your own domain for email hosting is a massive pain in the ass. Have you not run into a million problems with other hosting providers refusing you for possibly spam?

      • pathief@lemmy.worldEnglish
        14·
        6 months ago

        Self hosting an email server is a pain in the ass and I don’t really recommend it.

        Buying your own domain and using it in whatever email provider you want is very easy and gives you ownership over the email address. You may switch providers freely without needing anyone else to do anything.

        • buttnugget@lemmy.worldBannedEnglish
          2·
          6 months ago

          I wasn’t self hosting. I was just talking about your own domain, which caused me serious problems when flagged for spam.

          Edit: I’m guessing it’s easier nowadays but I still carry that pain lol

          • Jason2357@lemmy.caEnglish
            3·
            6 months ago

            That’s not an issue with a custom domain name, but one of the other parts you run into, SPF and DKIM dns settings being correct and the reputation of whatever SMTP server’s ip address is. No one spam-bins based just on random domain names, or every business would freak out. You can also use your own domain on Google, Microsoft, or Apples ecosystems, not that you need to, there are plenty of providers that will host your email. I like runbox.

            • buttnugget@lemmy.worldBannedEnglish
              2·
              6 months ago

              Oh shit is that what the issue was??? Thank you for explaining! I thought it was literally blacklisted like that. I told those worthless dumbfucks to whitelist my domain and that shit just kept happening—and they made me do all the work every time. It was exhausting and frustrating. I’ll look into runbox, thanks again.

              • Jason2357@lemmy.caEnglish
                2·
                6 months ago

                I wonder if there might be some super common spam tlds like .xyz or .ru or something, but generally, yeah, custom domain isn’t the issue. Some other options are Migadu, mailbox.org, mxroute, and Tuta all seem like decent companies. A lot of others “also do” email hosting, like porkbun and OVH. Plenty of companies host their email with all these companies and have mostly clear sailing without being spam binned.

      • Clandestine@lemmy.zipEnglish
        2·
        6 months ago

        Didn’t try to host a domain myself yet, but having it set up with Proton has given me zero problems thus far.

      • wise_pancake@lemmy.caEnglish
        2·
        6 months ago

        No, not I don’t self host my email which is where a lot of the trouble comes from

        I don’t remember having any issues with it ever. That was a concern so I did slowly transition to the custom domain

        • buttnugget@lemmy.worldBannedEnglish
          1·
          6 months ago

          I stopped doing it because I kept getting rejections from Microsoft from my property manager and some other important stuff. Drove me nuts.

      • edgarde@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        6 months ago

        Wish more creators would move to Nebula. I joined on Grady from Practical Engineering’s recommendation. His stuff is great.

        I haven’t quite figured out how to use PeerTube yet.

      • AllYourSmurf@lemmy.worldEnglish
        7·
        6 months ago

        Whatever name fits your fancy. Go with solid registrars like Namecheap or cloudflare.

        Once you get your domain, you can use most any email provider to handle mail for that domain. Fastmail is really good. Or proton if you want the encryption.

        • Redex@lemmy.worldEnglish
          8·
          6 months ago

          Gotta also recommended porkbun for a registrar, had a great experience with then.

          • Jason2357@lemmy.caEnglish
            2·
            6 months ago

            Porkbun + runbox here. Domain and email together cost less than $30 a year. You can use the domain for free with GitHub pages or cloudflare for a free website too.

            • Redex@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2·
              6 months ago

              I personally picked Mailfence, but I saw both runbox and mailfence are really good. Tho Mailfence is a bit more expensive

        • wise_pancake@lemmy.caEnglish
          6·
          6 months ago

          That’s pretty much my setup, it is not super hard to get working, it’s basically just copying and pasting the magic numbers they give you

      • the_crotch@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        3·
        6 months ago

        Get something on .com or .net. Vanity tlds will piss off reputation services. And make sure you set up spf/dkim

        • Jason2357@lemmy.caEnglish
          2·
          6 months ago

          Other reason is the renew fees for special tlds are so unpredictable. Com is surprisingly cheap to renew.

    • JessieGearGirl@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      6 months ago

      set up your own domain for email hosting

      cannot recommend this enough!

      1. register your domain through something like porkbun
      2. get an account with someone like mxroute.com (i am a fan, but not an affiliate or anything)
      3. enjoy pain-free email for the rest of your life
  • leadore@lemmy.worldEnglish
    88·
    6 months ago

    I think it’s ironic that the alternatives to Android (graphene, calyx) only fully work on Google phones.

      • nul42@lemmy.caEnglish
        2·
        6 months ago

        I’m running lineage os on a Motorola moto g7 power (2019) Android 15 runs fine on a 6 year old phone.

    • ssdfsdf3488sd@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9·
      6 months ago

      Thise are just different flavors. I need a pixel 8 pro xl equivalent device that runs linux natively. All thw postmarket phones are ancientx

    • whoisearth@lemmy.caEnglish
      7·
      6 months ago

      Same reason it continually sucks to get a working Linux build on an apple laptop or desktop.

      As bad as Google is, they’re lightyears ahead of Apple in terms of protecting their products in a walled garden.

        • whoisearth@lemmy.caEnglish
          2·
          6 months ago

          I’ve never investigated for iPhones but would be curious

          1. if they exist
          2. how bloody hard they are to get going

          I can only speak for laptops/desktops and it being a bitch.

          There’s a reason I’m very adamant at hating Apple for a multitude of technical reasons. This is but one of them. It’s a shame too because their build quality is really S-Tier.

      • squaresinger@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        6 months ago

        “work” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here when talking about a Fairphone. Worst phone I ever owned with quite some margin.

    • Korhaka@sopuli.xyzBannedEnglish
      1·
      6 months ago

      I would get a Nokia flip phone but they cost a bit. Cheaper to get something someone is throwing out

  • Demdaru@lemmy.worldEnglish
    81·
    6 months ago

    Throwing it out there - I am tired of left always acting as if something done decade ago was still fresh. Pewds changed, he flipped his whole video formula, and even back then evil things he did were at least questionable. Let it go folks. You are doing nothing else than making yourself look like bitter old people.

    Edit: I noticed it’s not obvious what I am talking about. Other comments. People constantly talking about how Pewds is a nazi.

    • irmadlad@lemmy.worldEnglish
      22·
      6 months ago

      Other than hearing his name, I’ve never seen any of his content, nor do I know any of his lore. If in fact, he once was and has now changed his core convictions, then great. I have no issue with anyone who changes their minds in light of new evidence, or after taking inventory of one’s life, and deciding a new route. Both are commendable. Lord knows we’ve all done some shit in the past that was definitely cringe…I know I have. But we grow, and we learn, and in the process we become better human beings.

      • Demdaru@lemmy.world
        22·
        6 months ago

        He never was. When teenagers used to scream n-word for shit and giggles, he was monetarily incentivised to do stupid stunts. No belief behind, other than to have a laugh and jump in views. When he crossed the line and was critised for it, he backed off, apologised and learned from his mistakes.

        But people love draging it out each and every single time he does anything, be it good or bad.

        • Microw@piefed.zipEnglish
          4·
          6 months ago

          Hm, I’m not sure about that. There was a point in time where he was - even outside his videos - engaging with Ben Shapiro and Elon Musk. Echoing their philosophies and world views. The alt-right was using him and his platform to lure teenagers in. It’s possible that Felix did not even realize what was happening there. Or he was brainwashed himself for some time.

          The important thing is that from 2019 onwards he clearly distanced himself from any of that.

          • Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zipEnglish
            3·
            6 months ago

            Almost everyone at that time was engaging with those two. Matter of fact many loved elon musk. I get the point tho.

        • Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zipEnglish
          2·
          6 months ago

          This is the far left people talk about when they say cancel culture or some shit. Some people are so miserable, they want everyone around them miserable too. Qq

    • JohnAnthony@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      21·
      6 months ago

      There is the expected amount of negativity in the comments, but also more positivity than I expected.

      I watched the video. I am not really a fan of the style, I don’t agree with all of the content. But damn, a big influencer is using his reach to talk about retaking privacy and control in your online life. It can be such a difficult subject to pitch without sounding crazy. I think the video existing is great and pushes general awareness in the right direction.

      • Demdaru@lemmy.world
        28·
        6 months ago

        In short, a bunch of years ago he did some stunts for publicity that put him in a bad light. And don’t get me wrong, he deserved criticism back then. But it quickly became apparent that it wasn’t his view, but just that - a publicity stunt, something to drive algorithms etc, and he also apologised for it and what’s more important, didn’t make similiar shit afterwards.

        So no, not a nazi. In the past you could call him edgy or something, alas even that doesn’t really fit as he didn’t do this all the time. But people saw he is popular and saw what he did and decided that no matter that these were one-offs, he must be a nazi, secretely harbor a shrinet o Hitler and all that.

    • Gorilladrums@lemmy.worldEnglish
      7·
      6 months ago

      He literally never did anything evil or bad. This is a myth that was entirely created by the far left, who falsely call everything fascist, despite never watching his content.

      • SonOfAntenora@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        6 months ago

        You should see reddit or any other mainstream social media for that matter, I assure you it gets much worse. In fact people on lemmy are mosltly normal.

    • YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.todayEnglish
      2·
      6 months ago

      Honestly, the only drama I’ve ever read about him was the n-word on the bridge situation. Now before I migrated to Lemmy I had a decade and half old account on Reddit that got n-word count botted, and even through all the heated debates & drunken shit posting, I never once dropped so much as the -a ending. But I grew up in an area of lower socioeconomic development, and I was the rare super pasty white boy who used it growing up because that was the common vernacular I heard every day. And I was only ever once confronted about it from someone I didn’t know. But as I started to grow, mature, and expand my social circle I learned how cringey it was (and I still look back on myself in a sense of embarrassment and disgust to this day). I’m just happy that this was early Myspace days, and there are no videos of it floating around.

      Now I want to make it perfectly clear, I was not an Xbox live chat edgy shit head. This was the language I heard all around me growing up, so it was an honest adoption.

      With that Ted talk out the way. I have only ever seen the bridge video of his, and a late night talk show (Colbert?) interview with him. That is it so I have absolutely no horse in the race. But I do understand how people can grow and change, and it sounds like from what everyone else is saying about him, that he has for the better.

    • LSNLDN@slrpnk.netEnglish
      48·
      6 months ago

      “I’m done with capitalism” he writes on a phone paid for with 😧 MONEY 👻

      • Ledericas@lemm.eeEnglish
        4·
        6 months ago

        and trying to get on the grift train of hating google. seems like hes some what desperate to comeback to yt, trying to recapture old glory days, of course all that sweet money comes with it.

        • Robust Mirror@aussie.zoneEnglish
          8·
          6 months ago

          What exactly is the grift of suggesting Foss over Google? You think he’s getting kickbacks? And if you just mean the “grift” of getting paid for YouTube videos… I mean, if people are watching it and it’s good information is that really a “grift”, seems like just getting paid for giving good information. Better than the majority of YouTube.

  • maxwells_daemon@lemmy.worldEnglish
    64·
    6 months ago

    Download the video before YouTube takes it down. I want to see that site flooded with reuploads if they do.

    • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      16·
      6 months ago

      I don’t care about his content, but I downloaded for historical preservation. If you’re willing to watch can you explain the beef?

    • SavvyWolf@pawb.socialEnglish
      11·
      6 months ago

      If it stays up, it’s certainly going to be interesting seeing the difference in view counts between it and his other videos.

  • Redex@lemmy.worldEnglish
    49·
    6 months ago

    I love this new arc of pewds, unimaginably based. I’m actually interested in watching his videos now after a looong time. The last three tech related ones were great.

  • gazby@lemmy.zipEnglish
    41·
    6 months ago

    Waiting for the episode where he finds out who owns YouTube 🫠

  • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 @pawb.socialEnglish
    40·
    6 months ago

    I was actually kinda wondering the other day why super large content creators with good cash flow from what they already do, don’t ditch Google and Patreon or anything else that takes a cut to be nothing more than a middleman to accessing the content? They don’t need to host on the same level as YouTube; they could probably make more money hosting their videos on their own website, where they can control what is free or paid for, and can work directly with advertisers themselves.

    • dmtalon@infosec.pubEnglish
      42·
      6 months ago

      And how do they get big? How do they get discovered? SEO ?

      They’re getting huge because of the platform.

      I’m not saying google is not evil but it literally gives them their audience.

      I watch YT more than anything else by a mile, and if my top subscription moved to their website, and I had to jump through hoops to watch them on my TV device, by installing a browser or something I probably would stop watching them or watch them way less. Another TV friendly app sure that wouldn’t be a problem, but I don’t see many doing that.

      • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 @pawb.socialEnglish
        10·
        6 months ago

        I’m talking about those who have already gotten big, like PewDiePie or Good Mythical Morning (the latter of which started on their own website before youtube even existed, btw). Not the dude who just started a channel last week and has nothing to do shit with.

        • non_burglar@lemmy.worldEnglish
          21·
          6 months ago

          The lift of running your own platform is big. You just won’t believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it’s a long way down the road to the chemist’s, but that’s just peanuts to creating your own video hosting platform.

          • rebelrbl@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            7·
            6 months ago

            It’s not that challenging with a partner to help manage infrastructure which even at his scale is not going to cost an obscene amount of money.

            Edit: there’s a very massive difference between a single content creator hosting their content and a site hosting everyone’s content like YouTube as well in terms of cost, infrastructure, security and management.

          • meyotch@slrpnk.netEnglish
            3·
            6 months ago

            Websites work very well and are scalable af. A plugged in person with a track record like that could go Web 2.0 and probably net more.

            • non_burglar@lemmy.worldEnglish
              6·
              6 months ago

              You are correct. Websites, the stack to supply video encoding, even scalability is a solved problem.

              The hard work isn’t technical, it’s getting people onto your platform in the first place (marketing), getting people to continue using your platform (retention) and the perennial problems of SaaS evolving with other SaaS platforms (how many dev hours are you willing to eat trying to keep up with the Joneses?).

              SaaS, and in this case, SaaS offering content, is a losing game. You will either lose your shirt, sell your business, or become entrenched in a position whose inertia is difficult to break. How much of any of those you are willing to take a firehose of is the question.

              • Zagorath@aussie.zoneEnglish
                2·
                6 months ago

                It’s not easy, but you’re not guaranteed to end up

                either lose your shirt, sell your business, or become entrenched in a position whose inertia is difficult to break

                It depends on the personalities involved and the business model they go with.

                Nebula has done really well with consistent growth as a premium offering where people pay one subscription fee to get ad-free videos from exclusively high-quality creators across a quote broad range of niches, in addition to bonus extras and Nebula Originals.

                Dropout seems to have a lot of success with a range of mostly unscripted comedy, centred around a core cast of trusted comedic actors with a larger range of guests.

                Floatplane, on the other hand, seems much less successful, probably owing to its business model being basically Patreon’s, but only for video. Instead of the wide range of content you get for surprisingly reasonable amounts of Nebula and Dropout, Floatplane ends up looking very expensive if you want to support more than one or two creators. Plus the creators on it haven’t got the same degree of trust; it ends up reeking of the sort of techbro vibes that people are explicitly trying to get away from.

                • non_burglar@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  2·
                  6 months ago

                  I’m sure these are accurate statements, but the fact remains that I’ve never heard of dropout or nebula. At all.

                  And the only reason I’ve heard of floatplane is via LTT and Jeff Geerling, and I don’t actually use the platform itself.

                  That’s what I mean about inertia, google has it now and can coast for years on people just being lazy and staying with YouTube. That alone will be a loooong hill to climb for any other platforms.

                  LTT seems to have enough clout and has worked out a survivable business model, but notice that they remain on YouTube to capture and keep new views.

        • TORFdot0@lemmy.worldEnglish
          8·
          6 months ago

          YouTube still offers them a service in directing them new viewers. The big creators all lose viewers but YouTube funnels replacement views faster than they lose. They could host their own videos but they are gonna see very little growth without Google either in search or with YouTube as they start to lose the base that followed them.

          They also won’t be able to negotiate as good as rates for pre-rolls or in video sponsorships as if they were on YouTube.

          The only real alternative would be to band together like the creators that are a part of nebula are doing. Hosting on peertube really isn’t an option unless you are independently supported and you are doing it as a passion project and don’t care about audience growth or retention.

        • dmtalon@infosec.pubEnglish
          3·
          6 months ago

          Still think building their own site with apps I can throw on my devices is pretty involved.

      • merc@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        3·
        6 months ago

        Yeah, even an established creator is going to have a hard time moving their audience.

        If YouTube weren’t a near monopoly it would be different. Then other companies would be competing for creators.

        Making it worse is section 1201 of the DMCA. It makes it a crime to circumvent access controls. In the past, Facebook was able to grow by providing tools to interface with MySpace. People didn’t have to abandon their MySpace friends, they could communicate with them through Facebook, and Facebook could ensure that messages sent on its platform arrived to people still on MySpace. But, if you tried that today Facebook has access controls in place that make that a crime. The same applies to YouTube. Nobody can build a seamless “migrate away from YouTube” experience because YouTube will use the DMCA to block them.

        The governments of the world need to bring back antitrust with teeth and force interoperability.

      • markovs_gun@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        6 months ago

        Sauce plus and dropout as well. Basically run by youtubers to make content without relying on YouTube. A lot of this is running on pre-existing tech for running a streaming service and I assume it’s dependent on AWS (Amazon) hosting but yeah lots of smaller paid streaming services run by youtubers because YouTube sucks. I believe sauce plus is essentially the same as Floatplane on the backend, they mentioned working with LTT to make it.

    • DolphinMath@slrpnk.netEnglish
      13·
      6 months ago

      Streaming video is expensive. LTT did it with Floatplane, even going so far as to develop their own backend. Watcher and some other YouTubers did it with Vimeo as their backend, but Vimeo still takes a large cut.

      At the end of the day, people are doing this, but YouTube still offers a compelling value compared to other platforms. It’s hard to beat their scale, sophistication, and the discoverability of their platform.

      • Microw@piefed.zipEnglish
        2·
        6 months ago

        Yeah I know some big german youtubers who years ago were like “we need to be more independent from youtube” and set up their own website. Every year the costs for hosting that would take out a huge cut of their earnings, so at the start of 2025 they finally gave up and said they couldnt pour even more money into that project as it simply wasnt profitable.

    • Zagorath@aussie.zoneEnglish
      12·
      6 months ago

      Well, there is Nebula, which is kinda like that. But most of them also put their videos on YouTube, using Nebula as the premium ad-free option with a little bonus content.

      • Trainguyrom@reddthat.comEnglish
        2·
        6 months ago

        I’m worried about Nebula’s business model being profitable enough to be sustainable in the long term but given their business model includes making every creator on the platform a part-owner of the platform that does limit how bad things can get

        • Zagorath@aussie.zoneEnglish
          3·
          6 months ago

          From everything I’ve heard, they’re already profitable, and are explicitly choosing only to grow in a sustainable way, without taking on outside investment which could force them into enshittifying down the line. With a relative lack of need to show extreme growth, and a lack of reliance on outside factors like advertising (being subscription-based), the only major risk that I can see for them long-term is user churn. Which is definitely a risk, but with the ever-creeping growth of the range of content they have and (at least for now) an attitude of being customer-friendly, churn seems a relatively low risk.

          As far as I can see, at worst, the platform dies if the YouTube channels of the people on the platform die because of the YouTube algorithm, and they get bad churn (with fewer new subscribers because of the aforementioned dead YouTube channels at the top of the funnel), and they don’t get new more successful channels on before that happens. A scenario that’s far from unlikely, but which I would describe as “catastrophic, whether or not Nebula exists today”, so its existence for now as a hedge against more likely bad scenarios is still worthwhile.

          • Trainguyrom@reddthat.comEnglish
            2·
            6 months ago

            That’s super cool. I’d love to know more about Nebula’s business practices, do you know where I could find that information? I’ve seen some interviews with their leadership that didn’t go into anywhere near the depth that I’d like and that’s about it

            • Zagorath@aussie.zoneEnglish
              3·
              6 months ago

              Most of this comment was my own speculation based on the details they’ve shared publicly. The details I know of publicly are:

              • The seem to be profitable. Or at least in a relatively sustainable place; they talk about profit a lot, but usually in terms of how the “profit” is split between creators. I forget, maybe the Wendover “history of Nebula” video from a while back talked more specifically about profitability?
              • They’re choosing not to take outside investment. This is something the CEO, Dave Wiskus, talked about particularly with respect to the Lifetime subscriptions, describing those as their option for building up the sort of large amounts of cash that they might otherwise have gone to outside investment for, in order to fund bigger projects
              • The fact that they are, quite visibly, expanding their range of content

              The rest was me speculating about how the business model would seem to work based on those factors plus my limited, layperson’s, understanding of their industry.

      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        1·
        6 months ago

        Sure, but other platforms do exist, and he could post to those as well as YouTube. Other creators do, such as Gardiner Bryant to PeerTube and Louis Rossmann to Odyssee.

        If he really hated Google, wouldn’t he be motivated to invest his time into its competitors? Maybe he does, idk, I didn’t watch the video because I’m not a fan of his style and I generally try to avoid YouTube.

      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        1·
        6 months ago

        Sure, but other platforms do exist, and he could post to those as well as YouTube. Other creators do, such as Gardiner Bryant to PeerTube and Louis Rossmann to Odyssee.

          • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            1·
            6 months ago

            People keep saying they want an alternative to YouTube, but then reject every alternative that exists.

            Odyssee and other YouTube alternatives tend to host far right content because that content was banned on YouTube, so those creators flocked to the alternative platforms. The sites themselves aren’t exactly encouraging that content, it’s just where people end up due to the loose rules. The best way to fight extremism on an alternative platform is to post less extreme content and drown out the less desirable content.

            That’s basically what happened here on Lemmy. At the start, it was mostly tankies and far left extremists, and gradually it became more mainstream as more mainstream leftists ditched Reddit and joined Lemmy.

            If you want an alternative to YouTube to succeed, you need to use alternative platforms that already exist.

            • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
              1·
              6 months ago

              In the case of Odyssee it was founded by a far right extremest. It also isn’t decentralized at all so you can’t easily stand up a different instance.

              • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                1·
                6 months ago

                I assume you’re talking about Kauffman, who is the founder of LBRY, but that relationship ended when LBRY lost a lawsuit and Odysee was acquired. It is decentralized, using arweave for video hosting and a blockchain for video metadata.

                The main issue w/ Odysee is its near complete lack of moderation, which allows extremists, conspiracy theorists, and other undesirables to earn money. This is because Odysee gives creators the power to moderate their channels, unlike YouTube where most of that is reserved for the platform itself. Odysee is about as free-speech as you get, and that unfortunately allows less desirable content.

                My understanding is that Odysee is essentially what you get if you have P2P (not federated) PeerTube w/ a profit motive.

      • ChapulinColorado@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        6 months ago

        They are also way too small in terms of storage given that they don’t support external cards (Apple is similar). Google/Apple definitely want buyers to also buy their subscription storage services or pay the high premium for the next storage level.

        I’m on an XR right now and it feels older, but still very much usable. I wish companies offered options to only get security patches instead of having to buy new phones every few years, that’s the 1 thing I hope Google keeps around and doesn’t walk back in the future.

        • Noxy@pawb.socialEnglish
          1·
          6 months ago

          They come in as high as 512gb and 1tb. I agree that they should have microSD slots, but the builtin storage options are sufficient.

      • JigglySackles@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        6 months ago

        The cost of buying a pixel is the only thing stopping me. I don’t have enough to replace my aging phone with much of anything, let alone a pixel.

        • zalgotext@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          5·
          6 months ago

          You can save quite a bit by getting a refurbished Pixel - looks like the cheapest “Google certified” option (so it comes with a 1-year warranty) is a 6a for $250, which is nearly half off MSRP. I’ve been using my 6a since launch, so it’s been going for 3 years now and I have no desire to upgrade.

          You can definitely get cheaper smartphones, but $250 for a 6a feels like a pretty big bang for your buck.

          • masterofn001@lemmy.caEnglish
            2·
            6 months ago

            I got a pixel 9 for $240 CAD via carrier promotion in Canada.

            I held out getting a new phone as long as I could and they offered a new pixel 9 for $5 per month for 24 months

            Not to trade in after 24.

            It’s mine. For 5$ a month.

            When I received it I didn’t turn it on for a week.

            Read as much as I could to decide that Google would only ever see the single boot to enable developer mode and enable OEM unlock to flash graphenos.

            It seemed intimidating, but the process to install is very smooth.

          • 10001110101@lemm.eeEnglish
            2·
            6 months ago

            I used Swappa to buy my last phone. Not certified, but much cheaper. The condition of phones is “graded,” and the sellers have an incentive to keep their reputation on the platform high. I had good luck, the one time I used it, at least.

        • tripflag@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          6 months ago

          in that case I would feel comfortable going with a refurb like theloweststone mentioned; pixels are the only(?) android devices which let you swap out the bootloader in a safe manner, so even a phone that’s been in shady hands should be fine if the boot hash matches. And if you know another person with graphene you can do the attestation just to be certain.

          but since the future of GrapheneOS is slightly shaky at the moment, I’ve looking at alternatives for when my current device inevitably bites the dust – fairphone and pinephone both look like decent choices at first glance. It’s an unfortunate situation but just gotta roll with it!